Sunday, October 19, 2008

Reactions to my Obama oped: Some Jews for McCain are Losing It

[edited Monday, October 20, 3:11 a.m.]

I published the oped in the preceding post and it has obviously set some of the pro-McCain Jews' teeth on edge.

I have been inundated with emails that are replete with all sorts of idiocy. They are, by and large, too stupid to recount.

There is a sense of real hysteria in them.

There may be good reasons to support McCain but these people are off the wall.

I have been told that Obama is:
pro-Muslim
anti-American
pro-Farrakhan [that Farrakhan is a close associate of Obama]
anti-Israel
a Manchurian candidate [this from a nameless person who was described as a top U.S. analyst in DC... ]
I have been told that I
have spun and skewed
engaged in major distortions.
shown a lack of critical scholarship
offered arguments with no intellectual credibility [all of the above came with no examples of how I did so... just the charges]
am a self-hating liberal Jew
don't know Jewish law
Then today these folks really hit bottom: they sent an email out contending that the O people form with their two hands [it is akin to the three fingers people used to hold aloft as a sign of support for George W.] is the same as a Hitler salute.....

This is hardly worth comment... are they suggesting that Obama and Hitler were in cahoots? Maybe they don't know that Hitler had been dead 15 years when Obama was born.... that neo-Nazis are behind his campaign???

Finally, many of these emails repeat [in exactly the same language... as if it came out of a mimeograph machine... if you remember what that is] that I told people to vote for Obama because he is Black.

Give me a break. Anyone who can read that into my last paragraph smells to me like a latent racist or maybe like someone who can't read.
Jews have prospered in this country in countless and unimaginable ways. America has given us tremendous opportunities. While no one should vote for Barack Obama because he is black, the fact that a black man is a nominee for the highest office in the land constitutes an affirmation of the fact that at long last, some of the final barriers of discrimination are crumbling. For Jews it is yet another reminder of the blessings this country has offered them and other minorities.
I wonder if these folks will say the same thing about Gen. Powell's statement this morning on Meet the Press
And I can't deny that it will be a historic event for an African-American to become president. And should that happen, all Americans should be proud--not just African-Americans, but all Americans--that we have reached this point in our national history where such a thing could happen. It will also not only electrify our country, I think it'll electrify the world.
What has happened to John McCain in this campaign is sad. He is a dim reflection of what he used to be. And these supporters of his do not do him proud. [Note: I say "these" supporters of his. I am not saying this about all his supporters.]

Now back to writing my book

16 comments:

Howard said...

Obama has been relentless in seducing America's youth, and controlling the media. What's next? ... teaching our children to turn their parents in to the Gestapo? These tactics have been used before ... and, they're right out of the Nazi and Islamic/madrassa play books. Wake up America ... the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

Deborah Lipstadt said...

What a perfect example of exactly what I was writing about. Thank you Howard.

Steve Cook said...

It's certainly not an original thought, but I find that -- most of the time -- (whether Jew or Gentile) believing Sen. Obama is a covert Muslim or has ties to Islamic extremists is really a more socially acceptable way of saying 'I'm not voting for a n****r'.

Rojelio said...

So now even the Inquisition is getting nervous. There are consequences for propping up the Holocult - people who buy into blind faith are the avatars of unreason, and subject to vicious fits of rage and bigotry. Sow the wind and ye shall reap the whirlwind.

Deborah Lipstadt said...

Rofelio:
"Propping up the Holocaust"? You sound as skewed as these people.

hockey hound said...

"believing Sen. Obama is a covert Muslim or has ties to Islamic extremists is really a more socially acceptable way of saying 'I'm not voting for a n****r'."

I wouldn't go so far as that. I think what many honest, decent and reasonably anxious Americans are complaining about is Obama's past associations with people of questionable character.

There is nothing immoral in being prudent about choosing the next president of the United States of America. Making accusations like yours puts you on a plain with those Republicans who condemn all Democrats simply because they're Democrats. A blind Democrat sees no further ahead than a blind Republican.

As I read about Obama's past friendships with people like Ayers, I'm reminded of the proverb, "Show me your friends and I'll show you your future." In the case of the prudent American voter, both Democrat and Republican, the future of his country is precious. And so it should be.

"In America, any boy may become president, and I suppose it's just one of the risks he takes." -Adlai Stevenson

Rojelio said...

My dear Deborah, I'm not surprised that you twisted my language - turning Holocult into Holocaust. This is so symptomatic of Zionist linguistics. My favorite is the absurd term "anti-semite." It is beyond being an oxymoron, considering that we Ashkenazi Jews are descended from the Khazarians, a Turko-Finnic people, and are no more semitic than the Chinese. Such irony that the descendants of the early Judeans are the Palestinians, a people considered by Zionists to be sub-human.

But there's hope yet. See this article from the Guardian: 'The freedom of historical debate is under attack by the memory police.'( http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/oct/16/humanrights }. The truth will out, as they say, eventually.

Steve Cook said...

Hockey Hound,

You'll notice that I didn't say it was a universal truth. And one can certainly argue the proportions, but there is no doubt in my mind that it is true for many people.

hockey hound said...

"While no one should vote for Barack Obama because he is black..."

I cannot, for the life of me, understand why anyone would say that Americans should not vote for Obama simply because he is black. Such a hateful thing to say! Imagine an African-American reading these words. Imagine the pain they would feel.

Now imagine the immeasurable joy and renewal of faith in the very concept of "America" African-Americans will feel should Obama become the next president of the United States! Such a presidency, in my opinion, can only do America good.

Rojelio said...

Not surprisingly, Ms. Lipstadt appears to have censored my last comment. Quelle surprise! Must be fun being the Grand Inquisitor.

Deborah Lipstadt said...

Not sure if you know how to do this but if you scroll up you will see your comment is there.

Rojelio said...

I wasn't referring to my first comment, but my second, which has yet to appear. I don't know if you know how to do this, but you might review your incoming blog postings to see what happened to it.

Black Diaspora said...

@hockey hound: "I think what many honest, decent and reasonably anxious Americans are complaining about is Obama's past associations with people of questionable character."

Let's see how firm you are in your position. Have you heard of McCain's questionable ties and friendships?

Have you heard of G. Gordon Liddy and Rev. John Hagee? Notice that these questionable characters haven't received the same media attention as Ayers and Rev. Wright?

I wonder why? The media isn't biased is it?

Here's another list of McCain's
questionable ties and friendships.

If this list doesn't disturb you as much as Obama's supposed list of questionable characters, then I say your position is not as principled as you'd like for us to believe.

hockey hound said...

"If this list doesn't disturb you as much as Obama's supposed list of questionable characters"

The discussion was about Prof.Lipstadt's oped about Obama, it wasn't about Senator McCain's associations. Apparently you missed my reference to the Yiddish proverb, "Three lies and its politics." I do not think for a moment that Senator McCain is carrying on his shoulders any less "political baggage" than is Barak Obama. Neither is Senator McCain any less vulnerable to the scrutiny of the American voter than is Barak Obama.

"...then I say your position is not as principled as you'd like for us to believe."

I really don't care what you believe about me. You can believe I'm a leprechaun, albeit a leprechaun none too fond of politicians. What is at issue here is what the American voter believes about the canditate he or she chooses to vote for in the next few days. Who will Americans trust more, McCain or Obama?

Black Diaspora said...

hockey hound said..."What is at issue here is what the American voter believes about the canditate he or she chooses to vote for in the next few days. Who will Americans trust more, McCain or Obama?"

Mainly (thank goodness not all), the American people will believe whatever the American media tell them to believe.

That is what's at issue here.

Haven't you noticed, too many Americans like their information pre-digested and fed to them.

It's much easier to digest the labels attached to persons and events than to actually do any real critical thinking.

By the way, I believe that I captured your position accurately, and it was in response to steve cook not Prof. Lipstadt's oped.

And you followed up with this statement, and I quote:

"As I read about Obama's past friendships with people like Ayers, I'm reminded of the proverb, "Show me your friends and I'll show you your future."

You said "past friendships" as though Obama's so-called relationship with Ayers actually rises to the level of "friendship".

How do you know this? What authority are you quoting? And how many in Obama's friendship circle include those who're like Ayers?

"Now imagine the immeasurable joy and renewal of faith in the very concept of "America" African-Americans will feel should Obama become the next president of the United States!

This is an interesting statement. Are you suggesting that only blacks will experience this "immeasurable joy and renewal of faith" of which you speak?

Do you really believe that with Obama becoming president that it will somehow speak more to blacks than to whites?

Whites need an Obama more than blacks need him.

White's need to have their faith restored in the "concept of America" not blacks. Initially, the concept was created by whites for whites. What better way for whites to affirm that American "faith" than to elect at this time a black president.

You need Barack Obama.

I really don't care what you believe about me.

I know, yet--

I'm praying that you're one of those "honest, decent and [reasonable]" Americans of which you speak, without the "anxiety."

Overly anxious people have been known to behave irrationally, dishonestly, and without a shred of decency.

hockey hound said...

"What better way for whites to affirm that American "faith" than to elect at this time a black president."

Are you saying here that solely the "white American" vote has placed Obama in the position of "President elect"?

"This is an interesting statement. Are you suggesting that only blacks will experience this "immeasurable joy and renewal of faith" of which you speak?"

No. I'm simply saying that I'm happy assuming African-Americans will feel this joy and renewal of faith. Do you consider it impolite to wish others only happiness? How is that offensive?