Sunday, September 30, 2007

As predicted: Denier Fredrich Berg attacks Irving's epiphany

As I predicted, the attacks from his fellow deniers on David Irving have begun. Here's the latest from Holocaust denier Friedrich Berg on Irving's "new' views on Holocaust [a term he won't use]l Berg's comments appeared on alt.revisionism:
Before David Irving was wrongfully imprisoned in Austria a few years ago, he said that he only believed there were some "experimental" gassings and gave no further details.

Now according to a story in The Guardian he seems to have changed his tune and believes 2.4 million Jews may have been exterminated in three camps in Poland. Those camps, according to the story about Irving, were Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor.

According to traditional holocaust mania, those camps all supposedly used diesel exhaust as the source of carbon monoxide.
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Has imprisonment simply made Irving more compliant toward the established version of the great hoax?

Got some details, Mr. Irving? How about it, Mr. Irving?
Oliver Kamm, [about whose column in the London Times on how Kurt Vonnegut got the Bombing of Dresden so wrong -- he relied on David Irving's account-- I have commented before] has blogged about Irving's new views on events of the Holocaust.

It's well worth reading... though its title says it all "Irving, the unsinkable rubber duck."

5 comments:

FAIIRPLAY said...

Irving needs to be asked 'During the last 100 years how many other Holocausts have you discovered didn't occur and have been faked by the victims or others?.' And have you personally found any WW2 fake graves, with fake skeletons inside them.

Maybe Irving needs to be reminded that in my home town of Chapel- Allerton, Leeds we had Britains largest WW2 veterans hospital and the doctors there can assure him these mens injuries were not fake. Apart from that we had in Leeds about 20 concentration camp survivors, Arek Hersh being the best known. Mr Hersh was the Jewish-boy who jumped out of the gas-chamber line up and hid because, before being rounded up he had heard the rumours about gas chambers being used to murder people in the camps. Arek arrived in Birkenau with 158 children from the Llodz ghetto orphanage, only one, him, survived.

Blogger said...

We should applaud that David Irving has changed his position on Holocaust, and finally he recognizes that Nazis gassed Jews in concentration camps.

I am always ready to applaud people who changed their opinion and recognize their mistakes. I have yet to see 1 Srebrenica genocide denier change his mind publicly. It seems overhelming number of these deniers are stuck in their own versions of (un)reality.

Deborah Lipstadt said...

First of all, I don't applaud someone who says: "the Jews were responsible for what happened to them during the second world war and that the 'Jewish problem' was responsible for nearly all the wars of the past 100 years: "The Jews are the architects of their own misfortune"

Secondly, his denial was based on lies [see my book History on Trial or www.hdot.org]so when someone half recants a lie I don't celebrate.

Finally, he is basing his epiphany on one document about which he is 80% sure, our knowledge of these events is based on 100s -- if not 1000s -- of documents, testimony, and material evidence. Someone who doubts all these or dismisses them would not get my applause.

If someone insisted that the world was flat [not in the Tom Friedman sense of the phrase] and then said he has seen some proof of which he is 80% sure that it is not, would you applaud?

Blogger said...

Deborah asked: "If someone insisted that the world was flat [not in the Tom Friedman sense of the phrase] and then said he has seen some proof of which he is 80% sure that it is not, would you applaud?"

Don't get me wrong Deborah. I am not applauding his disgusting statements about Jewish people, but I encourage him to accept reality of Holocaust. Jewish people were the biggest victims of holocaust and I disagree with the 'argument' that Jewish people were responsible for their own misfortune. I am quite disgusted with notion that anybody could make an argument that Jews were responsible for what happened to them. Irving still has time to change and acknowledge errors of his ways and he still has time to redeem himself for wrongs that he has done. It's time for him to apologize.

While it is true that 6 million Jewish people died, other ethnic groups are trying to equate their suffering during WW2 with that of Jews. What is your position on attempts of (many 'ethnic') historians trying to equate suffering of their people with suffering of Jewish people? I think it's wrong, because Jewish people suffered the most. What is your position on this?

hockey hound said...

"Irving still has time to change and acknowledge errors of his ways and he still has time to redeem himself for wrongs that he has done. It's time for him to apologize."

Sadly, it's as Elie Wiesel says: "Once an anti-Semite, always an anti-Semite." I've been fighting anti-Jewish bigots since in my teens, I'm 53 now, and in all that time I have never known one anti-Jewish bigot to ever "change the errors of his ways" or become sorry because of his hatred of the Jewish people. "Old sins cast long shadows."

From my experience, I can safely tell you that David Irving is the last person you should expect to change for the better. "He who rides the tiger can never dismount."