tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post7485082108507678614..comments2024-02-16T22:14:46.997-05:00Comments on Deborah Lipstadt’s Blog: Apples over the Fence: A Holocaust story that beggars the imaginationDeborah Lipstadthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10459645888846468575noreply@blogger.comBlogger112125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-30570871329500408982008-12-31T06:21:00.000-05:002008-12-31T06:21:00.000-05:00Prof. Lipstadt,Your scholarship & learning has...Prof. Lipstadt,<BR/><BR/>Your scholarship & learning has shown again what others need understand... that one need be careful & that a certain knowledge is necessary to uncover what may be untruths or attempted manipulation, re holocaust issues. <BR/><BR/>I don't want to be too harsh but Mr Rosenblat, through stupidy & greed, has caused unnecessary damage. Our duty, as human beings, is to state accurately the terrible truth of the events of the holocaust. What this man has done is a great shame.<BR/><BR/>DavidUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05553048828787624637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-44092096761519892532008-12-30T06:07:00.000-05:002008-12-30T06:07:00.000-05:00Ellen made some very good points in her post and I...Ellen made some very good points in her post and I'm certain we will all second her suggestions. <BR/><BR/>Someday a film needs to be made about the camps that mentions Mengeles Gypsy boy 'in the white suit', the genius child who was adopted by a whole womans barracks, the love affair between a guard and a female prisoner who hated him, and the little girl of age 6, who whilst being undressed in the gas chamber ante-chamber, said to a worker 'Get your hands of my little brother, I'll undress him'. You then have the ballerina who stabbed a guard, and the two brothers who each grabbed a guard and jumped off the cliff face to their deaths in Mauthausen Quarry. For a brief while Roma joined this heroic group - Shame on her.FAIIRPLAYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09057410466151320733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-23695613167150206242008-12-29T16:06:00.000-05:002008-12-29T16:06:00.000-05:00This hoax is a tragedy especially now, when Bernie...This hoax is a tragedy especially now, when Bernie Madoff's odious actions have harmed the Jewish good name. I am surprised to hear that the movie maker is still proceeding to make the movie based on a lie. <BR/><BR/>There are so many other worthwhile projects based on true love stories from the Holocaust like the one about Dina Gottliebova Babbitt - the beautiful young woman who painted Snow White and the Seven Dwarves on the children's barracks at Auschwitz - and after the liberation met and married the animator who did the original Disney movie. <BR/><BR/>I also love the story about Dina's courage to stand up to Dr. Mengele and save her mother and herself from the gas chamber. Dr Mengele - Dr Death - let Dina and her mother live in exchange for her doing paintings for him. Some of these paintings survived the war and are at the Auschwitz Birkenau Museum so Dina's story is true beyond any doubt. <BR/><BR/>I would like to see true and wonderful stories like Dina's be publicized, not these hoax tales that destroy credibility and trust.Ellenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03967525436747945598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-25461202369323611542008-12-29T07:14:00.000-05:002008-12-29T07:14:00.000-05:00Daily Mail, London. Dec 29 2008.[Inner Pages story...Daily Mail, London. Dec 29 2008.<BR/>[Inner Pages story / headlined]<BR/><BR/>Holocaust Love Fake.<BR/><BR/>Death camp 'sweethearts'feted by Hollywood admit their story was fantasy. Photo Caption: True Love, Herman and Roma Rosenblat had never met in Germany. <BR/><BR/>I imagine that by the end of this week it's more than likely that all major European newspapers, including those in Germany and Poland, will be carrying this news item.FAIIRPLAYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09057410466151320733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-48107165503112890482008-12-27T19:03:00.000-05:002008-12-27T19:03:00.000-05:00I've read The New Republic's latest installments o...I've read <I>The New Republic's</I> latest installments on Rosenblat's story. <BR/><BR/>Even his own family and others who were in the camp with him say it's untrue. It's such a shame that he would provide fodder for deniers with his tale. <BR/><BR/>http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=91de36ee-ef8b-4695-99c9-8c0d8c28d1ec<BR/><BR/>I am so disappointed--and angry. His friends and family begged him not to go through with this story and he ignored them.Sharon from WIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14155610179394019676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-87860553776235312752008-12-27T17:58:00.000-05:002008-12-27T17:58:00.000-05:00Indeed! Many (most?) 70, 80 year old people look '...Indeed!<BR/> <BR/>Many (most?) 70, 80 year old people look 'nice'. It ain't necessarily <BR/>so. Look at the hoax (almost) perpetrated by Deborah Rey, aged 70 <BR/>(Rachel Sarai's Vineyard), which was luckily halted before publication.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-11505893072685444622008-12-27T17:56:00.000-05:002008-12-27T17:56:00.000-05:00Indeed!Many (most?) 70, 80 year old people look 'n...Indeed!<BR/><BR/>Many (most?) 70, 80 year old people look 'nice'. It ain't necessarily so. Look at the hoax (almost) perpetrated by Deborah Rey, aged 70 <BR/>(Rachel Sarai's Vineyard), which was luckily halted before publication.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-55510338741291766142008-12-15T13:06:00.000-05:002008-12-15T13:06:00.000-05:00Fairplay:That's a lot of "ifs." Nice looking peop...Fairplay:<BR/>That's a lot of "ifs." Nice looking people can engage in big hoaxes...Deborah Lipstadthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459645888846468575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-50267774687090223262008-12-15T12:57:00.000-05:002008-12-15T12:57:00.000-05:00Prof Lipstadt.I did a Google search this morning a...Prof Lipstadt.<BR/><BR/>I did a Google search this morning and found that Roma said she was 'living on a farm', and the labour camp abutted and adjoined the farm property'. From this I surmised maybe the farm had an orchard and because of this apples in storage and, if the farmer was good enough to hide them - then maybe he was good enough to overlook a child taking apples for detainees. They, Herman and Rosa, look a really lovely couple, so your remarks that it's fairly certain it's an hoax causes dry-eyed tears here. I hope it's not an hoax because if it is; it's like spitting on the graves of those whose identity is known only unto God.FAIIRPLAYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09057410466151320733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-9308119715007857552008-12-15T05:43:00.000-05:002008-12-15T05:43:00.000-05:00Fairplay:this was supposed to have happened during...Fairplay:<BR/>this was supposed to have happened during the winter of 1945, one of the coldest in history. Exactly where did this little girl get those apples?<BR/><BR/>It is fairly certain that this is a hoax. Historians are working on it.<BR/><BR/>The facts will emerge shortly and for those who care about truth it will not be a nice situation.Deborah Lipstadthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10459645888846468575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-15334944674309808362008-12-15T01:16:00.000-05:002008-12-15T01:16:00.000-05:00The truth of the story resides in 'whether or not ...The truth of the story resides in 'whether or not Roma hid out in this village posing as a christian child and wandered around the village'. Knowing the habits of children I'd say she did wander close to the camp and knowing or suspecting the prisoners needed extra [sic] food she took some for them. It might well be there was an orchard nearby and she collected 'windfalls' from the ground and took them to throw to detainees. A research clue is when was she in the village and was it during the apple growing and ripening season, which in Europe is later than the USA.<BR/><BR/>* During the war I lived close to an RAF base, I can assure you each day upwards of 20 children waited at the end of the runaways to 'wave' the planes off, and we even counted them back in. I can recall young children asking the pilots and 'tail end Johnnys'[rear gunners] their bombing destination. I mention this because children and adults were fascinated by the war and war news and the 'going on', in local camps dominated the life of all small towns and villages. One presumes it was the same in Germany. Herman and Rosas story is true, but whether it's good material for a childrens book is debatable <BR/><BR/>[Q1: should young children read about the Holocaust? ] [Q2: Is it good for Jewish children to read about the Holocaust and anti-semitismn is also highly debatable]FAIIRPLAYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09057410466151320733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-23965087201973412702008-12-14T09:33:00.000-05:002008-12-14T09:33:00.000-05:00There is another deeply felt, touching news story ...There is another deeply felt, touching news story in the Miami Herald today by freelance reporter Jennifer Cohen, and it really is a touching story. Ms Cohen repeats all the old stuff from the October 12 AP story by Matt Sedensky and adds to it. But of course, nowhere does she question any of the backstory, for to do so would be churlish, vilifying and an expression of schadenfreude. But read it online at the Miami Herald website. About 800 words. Very well written.<BR/><BR/>She concludes this way: "Many people have read about Herman and Roma's love story in an e-mail chain letter circulating on the Internet. Most wonder if it is true."<BR/><BR/>"This was how award-winning children's author Laurie Friedman first learned of the Rosenblats' story."<BR/><BR/>''I was so moved. I put my head down on my desk and just wept. I knew this would make a fantastic children's book,'' said Friedman, <BR/>a Coral Gables resident, who knew she had to tell this story to children. She set out to find Herman and Roma Rosenblat, who by chance lived only 30 minutes away in North Miami Beach.<BR/><BR/>Together, the three collaborated on a picture book for kids ages 7 to 10. Called ''Angel Girl'', it was published in September by Lerner Books in Minneapolis, a Jewish firm.<BR/><BR/>''They met with me and hour after hour told me all of the very difficult details they went through,'' Friedman said. 'It was a very collaborative effort. I would bring illustrations to them and ask, `Is this what the fence looked like?' I wanted to make sure I got the details right.''<BR/><BR/>Rosenblat, now 80, and Friedman recently spoke about Angel Girl at the David Posnack Jewish Community Center's Jewish Book Festival in Davie.<BR/><BR/>''Five hundred people attended the program, one of our largest audiences for a Jewish Book Festival program,'' said the center's Nancy Steinberg Stearn. ``It was inspiring to see.''<BR/><BR/>So this backstory still has legs. I am beginning now to believe it must be true.DANIELBLOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130493903696077379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-81557071967069795392008-12-11T09:51:00.000-05:002008-12-11T09:51:00.000-05:00Dan, Maybe you should back off, your posts are get...Dan, <BR/><BR/>Maybe you should back off, your posts are getting my back up and presumably others to. In my book anyone who was a child camp survivor and whose married to another h-survivor are 'Jewish heroes', worthy of polite respect bordering on hero worship, and if I lived near them I promise you Herman and Rosa would never want for another apple in their lives. Please try and think of what this might be doing to Herman and Rosa, think what thoughts are going through their minds today and can I be so bold as to say 'lets adopt them both'. <BR/><BR/>In Wales we have an well known Welsh song called 'Men of Harlech stand before you all through the night'. It describes how a band of Welshmen stood with swords in hand guarding a river bridge crossing from an English invasion. I feel that way about Herman and Rosa, meaning I'll guard them gladly all through the night and expect you to join me. So how about it, let them be and be grateful you have not stood in their shoes or travelled their roads. <BR/><BR/>BOB FAIRPLAY LEEDS UK.FAIIRPLAYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09057410466151320733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-60169831285119614742008-12-11T05:40:00.000-05:002008-12-11T05:40:00.000-05:00Someone emailed me offline and gave me some good a...Someone emailed me offline and gave me some good advice in regards to my obsessive posts above on this suject. They told me to be careful because some people might perceive my posts as "coming very close to vilifying Mr. Rosenblat....".......and of course, that is NOT my intention. But if I am coming close to doing that, then maybe it is time for me to take a few steps back and back off from this for a while, and let other investigators look into this. I agree. The truthfulness of the text of Herman's is what is most important to establish, not this other stuff I have brought up. So let me back off here and bid adieu for a few weeks or months until the book is published. And let's let the professional critics and historians chime in. I am just an amateur gumshoe and a not very good one at that.DANIELBLOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130493903696077379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-76861193976701042952008-12-10T23:52:00.000-05:002008-12-10T23:52:00.000-05:00Perhaos...i found a smoking gun. It turns out that...Perhaos...i found a smoking gun. It turns out that the speakers bureau that represents Herman and Roma for their new book is a Christian Christ-centric speakers bureau. Now WHY ON EARTH would Herman want to be represented by a group like that? Is this entire book thing being orchestrated by some born-again Christian operative who intends to use Herman's story as another example of a Jewish person converting to Christ? This very same agency represents another author who was Jewish once, born into a Jewish family, found Jesus at age 33 and became famous for that, and Herman is being repped by this man, Wes Yoder. What is going on here?<BR/><BR/>Don't believe me? Read THIS:<BR/><BR/>the speakers bureau that is listed on HErman's website for the book now is called Ambassador Speaker's Bureau, led by Wes Yoder, and as I suspected from the Richard Booker blurb quote, it is a CHRISTIAN SPEAKERS BUREAU<BR/><BR/>*** why would Herman sign up with a Christian speakers bureau if he is a Holocaust survivor? <BR/><BR/>re: <BR/><BR/>"Ambassador is the oldest and most established Christian-based talent agency in the United States. The company was founded in 1973 by Wes Yoder to represent many of the emerging contemporary Christian music artists. During the next ten years Ambassador became the premiere agency for Christian musicians and artists. <BR/><BR/>Ambassador Speakers Bureau, established in 1984, provides speakers for special program events nationwide. We are the leading provider of speakers for the Christian and faith-based community and conduct a thriving business providing speakers to university, education, non-profit, political and business meetings. <BR/><BR/>Ambassador's Literary department represents a growing list of best-selling authors. We represent select authors and writers who are published by the leading religious and general market publishers in the United States and Europe."<BR/><BR/>ARE YOU STILL UNCONVINCED THAT SOMETHING FUNNY IS GOING ON HERE WITH THIS HERMAN BACKSTORY BOOK?DANIELBLOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130493903696077379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-53215577403689686612008-12-10T21:12:00.000-05:002008-12-10T21:12:00.000-05:00A Christian evangelical who praises Herman's book ...A Christian evangelical who praises Herman's book on the publisher's new website, and one guesses this pastor has READ the entire book but one cannot be sure, he said the book is completely TRUE and a great love story, so someone asked him if he was AWARE that the book might NOT be completely true and might even be greatly EMBELLISHED in some parts, like the apples over the fence and the girl and the blind date parts, and this PHD pastor said in a polite reply by email:<BR/><BR/> "Thank you for your concern about the Herman Rosenblat story. That would truly be a great disappointment if your accusations prove to be true. We will wait and see how this turns out."<BR/>[-- Richard Booker of the Sounds of the Trumpet, Institute for Hebraic-Christian Studies<BR/>The Woodlands TX 77381] which believes and preaches the END TIMES and also invited HERmAN AND ROMA to their church in 2007 to speak and they did speak there.DANIELBLOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130493903696077379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-58177591345939389162008-12-10T16:24:00.000-05:002008-12-10T16:24:00.000-05:00Sharon, I was pointing out that Herman got apples,...Sharon, I was pointing out that Herman got apples, whilst I got from a German POW 'cough candy'. I did not overlook the inhumane treatment of Jews by the Germans. <BR/><BR/>My views are that the Jews were never an important factor in German life and their influence was greatly exaggerated, for the most part they were miserably poor, unemployed, quiet and unassuming. <BR/><BR/>Suffice to say if a Jewish Community anywhere in the world build a synagogue, use hebrew books & speak hebrew in their religious services and Yiddish in private, call their Minister Rabbi, and display on synagogue roofs and windows a Magom Dovid, then as sure as rain follows snow 'your going to get your windows broken'. Religious hatred, colour-bars and envy are the oldest of hates, so are burning churches, killing the congregants, damagin gravestones and sadly ever-so-often genocide. Its all well and good speaking about freedom to worship as a freedom to strive for, but in practice you have to allow for never ending setbacks and trials. The usual retort to this reasoning is "forgive me for trying to live, for trying to be Jewish. I'm saying be Jewish by all means but be well prepared for kicks and knocks". [Thats Life]FAIIRPLAYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09057410466151320733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-58252212434601984232008-12-10T14:09:00.000-05:002008-12-10T14:09:00.000-05:00Fairplay, your memories of German POWs making thei...Fairplay, your memories of German POWs making their way along main street and attending movies in your town are not that farfetched. <BR/><BR/>Although I was not alive during the 40s, I do know that German POWs in the United States were treated to movies--and they usually were seated in front of African American GIs who were subject to Jim Crow customs even as they served their country. <BR/><BR/>So to suggest that German POWs saw movies and were treated humanely in England and the States is not unimaginable. <BR/><BR/>But with regard to Nazi Germany, we all know that the Germans were brutal and inhumane to their prisoners--particularly Jews. <BR/><BR/>To compare the treatment of German POWs in England and the States to the treatment Jews and others received from the Nazi is like--no pun intended--comparing apples and oranges.Sharon from WIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14155610179394019676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-82699138189798901072008-12-10T12:41:00.000-05:002008-12-10T12:41:00.000-05:00Dan,It might be hard to believe but in the 1940's,...Dan,<BR/><BR/>It might be hard to believe but in the 1940's, in the small English town I was born in, German POW walked freely about and even went to the cinema, worked on farms, and could be seen in small groups going to and fro. <BR/><BR/>My few memories of them is their wearing strange sandy coloured Afrika Corp caps and my asking my mother 'Can't they escape?', she replied 'We are an Island, were can they go?'. Another memory was a German soldier coming up to me in our *high street [*Main St / USA] I must have been about 4-5 years old and, he gave me a bag of sweeets, being sweets he didn't want because they were "cough lozenzes", probably bought by him because normal *sweets [*candy / USA] were rationed and unobtainable. I mention this because I'm certain someone somewhere will claim this is all untrue, that POWs were kept caged in camps, that they didn't go to to the cinema, nor could they be seen as I've described. My reply to this is: Herman was given apples, whilst I was given cough candy, and who's bothered?<BR/><BR/>In another post Dan you mention myths, can I add that without myth's society would break down and it's myths that even though untrue keeps us sane. Gods a myth, so was Jesus, Mary, Joseph, Samson, Moses, Robin Hood, Batman and Superman - but don't you dare mention it, their too many Church jobs at stake!!FAIIRPLAYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09057410466151320733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-9931380431314554382008-12-10T02:51:00.000-05:002008-12-10T02:51:00.000-05:00This saga gets weirder and weirder. In the run-up ...This saga gets weirder and weirder. In the run-up to the February publication of Herman's much anticipated memoir, I hear reputable whispers in the blogosphere saying things like this:<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>A respected Jewish historian has discovered that the entire backstory<BR/>that Herman and Roma told Oprah and the Associated Press reporter in<BR/>Miami -- and also a Newsday reporter in New York a few years ago -- might be a complete hoax. Why? Because some people close to Herman are now talking: One says:<BR/><BR/>"I was<BR/>closer with his late older brother, Sam, but I know Herman. We were in the same camps together. Same age. I know this man is making this up. Out of whole cloth. Why? I have no idea!"<BR/><BR/>This man says is greatly concerned about ''The Angel in the Fence'' autobiography<BR/>soon to be published and that he knew of the story for many<BR/>years now, had been asked about it by other survivors, and he worries<BR/>about its impact. If it is later reported and revealed to be a hoax.<BR/><BR/>"The backstory is a figment of Herman's imagination. There is not a word<BR/>of truth in what he is saying. I feel sick.... (by the upcoming publication of<BR/>the book)," the man says online.<BR/><BR/>"Even Herman's late older brother Sam, now dead, who lived in Boca<BR/>Raton, Florida was embarassed and ashamed by Herman's story. He didn't know<BR/>where the story came from."<BR/><BR/>The man also says he knew Herman for years and never head the backstory<BR/>until the 1990s. Herman never mentioned over the years how he met his<BR/>wife in a camp, never told the Oprah backstory, never, period.<BR/><BR/>This Holocaust survivor is especially concerned that a concoction like this puts a<BR/>lie to and undermines serious Holocaust memoirs.<BR/><BR/>"It is really sad. I<BR/>read these stories (i.e., untruthful or<BR/>embellished stories). They always upset me. If someone would<BR/>investigate it, he would expose it easily. They (such authors as Herman) are<BR/>not even aware of the inconsistencies...."<BR/><BR/>"My guess is the book will be recalled before publication and cancelled. OR, recalled after publication when some enterprising newspaper interviews Herman to get the true confession from him. Or, maybe it's all true, and all the above comments were way wide of the mark. EVen Dr Lipstadt's oriognal blog post. That the story was not true."DANIELBLOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130493903696077379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-11749020827783725792008-12-08T20:24:00.000-05:002008-12-08T20:24:00.000-05:00A friend of mine, a psychiattrist in Chicago, told...A friend of mine, a psychiattrist in Chicago, told me today re this case:<BR/><BR/>"We may be at the end of any real Holocaust memoirs now anyways, due to<BR/>time. Perhaps we'll move over into myths, the kind of heroic journeys<BR/>that Joseph Campbell popularized. But, of course, we'll need to never<BR/>forget what we have known to be true."DANIELBLOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130493903696077379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-36070633311435493842008-11-27T14:28:00.000-05:002008-11-27T14:28:00.000-05:00May I add my 2 cents worth. Some years ago in Leed...May I add my 2 cents worth. Some years ago in Leeds, England, we had a talk given on the Holocaust by two Holocaust Survivors. I went along expecting to hear things about the camps I had never heard before from the mouth of an actual survivor. To my surprise I discovered that 'they did not know a great deal [of detail] about the camps they were in, none whatsoever about the German officers or camp staff, nor could they describe their experiences accurately. One of the speakers spoke at great length about *Auschwitz, and his four week stay there, during his talk he mentioned several times the four gas chambers - and four smoking crematorum chimneys. The innocent mistake made by him was; *he was in Birkenau Camp* and not Auschwitz". Auschwitz, which was 5 km away - did not have four gas chambers, it had one. The same with Herman story, he said he worked in the crematorium in Buchenwald [he did] and this innocent remark gave the inacccurate impression that there must have been bodies everywhere - so listeners thought he must have been working adjacent to a 'gas chamber". <BR/><BR/>It needs to be said that any young person confined in a camp - see's whats happening around him with a childs mind and eyes and his written recollections are rather superficial and school-boyish. A boy of 12, is a boy of 12, and he recalls things with a childs memories. Proof of this is 90% of all survivors books are a poor read if your looking for detail. When you compare "a camp childs book" to the two best you can spot the huge difference. The two best being "Five Chimneys" and "A Doctor in Auschwitz".FAIIRPLAYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09057410466151320733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-36972266452218051282008-11-27T10:32:00.000-05:002008-11-27T10:32:00.000-05:00I don't know why that person wrote "If you get thi...I don't know why that person wrote "If you get this e-mail don't send it delete it" and also said it wasn't true. Personally, even if it wasn't true, which i like to believe it is very true, i would still send this e-mail. #1- it's beautiful and it gives people hope, why not share it with people?<BR/>Honestly, if you want to ruin everyones opinions on that piece, whatever go ahead but you're not changing my mind.kayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04821282715817285338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-46678512995737760162008-11-24T22:19:00.000-05:002008-11-24T22:19:00.000-05:00Truth whisperes also tell me:"More information has...Truth whisperes also tell me:<BR/><BR/>"More information has been 'uncovered' re the family genealogy. Apparently, Roma was with her family, Bernard and Rozalia (Zalctreger) Radziki from Krosniewice, north of Lodz, in Poland. She was born in January 1933, so she was 11 in 1944.<BR/>Her sister Mila was also likely there, born in 1934, so she was 10 yers old in 1944. <BR/><BR/>The people of the Krosniewice ghetto were deported in March of 1942. So how did they get to Germany, and when? And what were they doing in Schlieben, by all accounts a small village and therefore not a great place to hide? Where is all this sleuthing leading. God only knows...."DANIELBLOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130493903696077379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-43733944301831670842008-11-24T22:16:00.000-05:002008-11-24T22:16:00.000-05:00A friend of mine tells me:"Danny,Although we all m...A friend of mine tells me:<BR/><BR/>"Danny,<BR/><BR/>Although we all might be wrong, my own profound sense is that backstory thing is that this is an 'embellished' story, shading over into an invented story. <BR/><BR/> There could be something deeply 'psychological' going on, the key to which is his mother appearing Herman's dreams -- first, after he was shot in NYC in 1992, and almost bled to death during operation, then in the story he told in 1996 on Oprah -- as if his own mother was maybe giving him 'permission' to go on and live and love. <BR/><BR/>The key event might be his leaving his mother during the selection at Piotrkow. His story might be self-invented permission from his mother to go on and live.... <BR/><BR/>A German historian has also raised good questions about Roma hiding in Schlieben. Very small town, unlikely place for family hiding together to establish themselves. Unlikely even if in Schlieben that the family would permit a 9 year old to be out and about around a concentration camp.<BR/><BR/>RE the news that Herman and Roma recently appeared this month at a Miami Holocaust education event for kids, I mean, wow, the use of these two people for Holocaust education might be called by some observers as a 'travesty'. Their backstory, if it turns out NOT to be true, as they insist it is, is precisely what is NOT needed for Holocaust education in schools."DANIELBLOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130493903696077379noreply@blogger.com