tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post3823698604380244394..comments2024-02-16T22:14:46.997-05:00Comments on Deborah Lipstadt’s Blog: Apples Over the Fence [11]: Lipstadt Commentary on CNN.comDeborah Lipstadthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10459645888846468575noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-41998543020755441152009-05-15T12:22:00.000-04:002009-05-15T12:22:00.000-04:00I agree with Dave S.
I suppose you also boycott t...I agree with Dave S.<br /><br />I suppose you also boycott the film Titanic?<br /><br />I am a third generation survivor as well...Urban, Yuppy, Hippyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10714227780515160398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-82604684832405007642008-12-31T20:18:00.000-05:002008-12-31T20:18:00.000-05:00RE: "There were many times that this could have be...RE: "There were many times that this could have been stopped, and wasn't."<BR/><BR/>Exactly. The entire NEWYORKPOSTNEWYORKTIMESCNNWASHPOSTBOSTONGLOBEUSATODAYNEWSDAYAPUPI coast-to-coast media network, the <BR/>C2CMN, as I call it, was alseep at the wheel on this one.<BR/><BR/>Even Drudge, Matt Drudge, he had the info and he refused to go with it. Master Sleuth Drudge, and he would not print what I had, and what I gave him on a silver platter. They were all waiting for "someone else" to take the first step. That someone else was the Gabriel Sherman sleuthing for the New Republic. He "blew the lid off this Pandora's Box of fabrications", as CNN's Tom Foreman put it the other day while interviewing Gabe his show.DANIELBLOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130493903696077379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-75533814555775212262008-12-31T19:55:00.000-05:002008-12-31T19:55:00.000-05:00I am grateful you did your research and found this...I am grateful you did your research and found this out to be the lie that it was.<BR/><BR/>For those who want the story to be true so badly that you are blaming Deborah, please remember this. Millions were purged by the Nazis. Each of them had a story to tell as well. Their stories are no more or less important than the truthful stories of the Rosenblats. The lies, here, are not being told by Deborah. Deborah has simply exposed frauds for frauds.<BR/><BR/>If you are upset, or angry, I suggest you be angry at the people who attempted to con you out of your money (and obviously out of your emotions) by using one of the most horrific events of our time.<BR/><BR/>It's evil that brought about the holocaust.. so what is it when someone tells a lie to profit from it?<BR/><BR/>It's certainly NOT a good thing.<BR/><BR/>Victor Frankl's book is inspirational. This was nothing more than a con game. There were many times that this could have been stopped, and wasn't.Jeremy Graemehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05866399188334047896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-33442220224079693392008-12-31T17:46:00.000-05:002008-12-31T17:46:00.000-05:00What I find difficult to understand is why we are ...What I find difficult to understand is why we are seeking for inspiring stories in the awful history of the Holocaust. Why, Dee Loc, should a "touching story" that is not true be celebrated? And Ry Schwark, what is the "great story of hope and redemption" that is being missed by focusing on the apples over the fence story? The fact that Herman and Roma managed to survive the Holocaust? I don't see where either the hope or the redemption can be found in that fact - only relief that some people did manage to survive the attempts of the Nazis to kill all the Jews of Europe. Perhaps we humans (and especially we Americans) cannot bear the idea that there was no redemption in the Holocaust, but it is the truth. In the U.S., the movie Schindler's List was very popular just because it did present some "redemption" amidst the horrors of Auschwitz. The Hungarian movie "Fatelessness" was shown in the art movie houses and didn't reach a mass audience in this country - and I think it's because the movie tells no story of redemption, it just tells a story of death, abandonment by the world, and lack of welcome for the protagonist when he returns home to Budapest. A movie that would represent the experience of most of the Jews who went through the Holocaust would end with no Jews alive, since of course most Jews who were seized by the Nazis did not survive. It would end with people being killed by the Einsatzgruppen in eastern Europe or dying in the gas chambers. But such a movie would not be uplifting or redemptive. Hence, it would never get a chance to be seen by we Americans, who want our horrors tempered by hope and redemption that did not exist. If we seek for such stories in the misery of the Holocaust, that tells us something negative about ourselves and our shallow culture - it tells us nothing about the Holocaust itself and those who suffered.Rebeccahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17626228106192215280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-32094763862078019352008-12-31T14:59:00.000-05:002008-12-31T14:59:00.000-05:00Dr. Lipstadt:Your blog questioning Herman Rosenbla...Dr. Lipstadt:<BR/>Your blog questioning Herman Rosenblat's story appeared in December, 2007, one month after his appearance again on Oprah's show. Did Oprah or Berkley books ever contact you about your concerns? Did you contact them?<BR/>SaraLynn MandelSaraLynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01386997025088319756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-36566615516803972142008-12-31T14:26:00.000-05:002008-12-31T14:26:00.000-05:00you are an idiot with way too much free time. Thi...you are an idiot with way too much free time. This is a touching story and should be celebrated. The people who claimed the story was true should be castigated, but that does not take anything away from the story.dee lochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12610367322921373582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-55310496560139308932008-12-31T14:16:00.000-05:002008-12-31T14:16:00.000-05:00While I agree with your exposure and criticism of ...While I agree with your exposure and criticism of the fraud, I cannot agree with your "just the facts." conclusion. Extrapolating the generic from the specific is an intellectual trap.<BR/><BR/>Art plays a valuable role in understanding truth. It is often heedless of the facts in doing so. Art, by its nature, uses illusion to create its truth.<BR/><BR/>For example, The Pianist brilliantly conveys a sense of the underlying truth of the Warsau ghetto to the wider public that historical scholarship could never duplicate.<BR/><BR/>In fact, if the goal is to keep the memory of the shoah alive, art plays an irreplaceable role.<BR/><BR/>GaryGaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11775453265591863279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-89519388192866355982008-12-31T14:06:00.000-05:002008-12-31T14:06:00.000-05:00Personally, I give the author a bye. Anybody who ...Personally, I give the author a bye. Anybody who survives such horror gets a free pass from me for trying to find a story of hope in it... even if in the process they miss the great story of hope and redemption that is already there.<BR/><BR/>I think, however, the publisher should be slapped silly for not fact checking this and letting it get to this stage. They have no excuse for their behavior.Ry Schwarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03381306573666597007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-33025771573357409972008-12-31T13:46:00.000-05:002008-12-31T13:46:00.000-05:00Very good oped piece on the CNN site. Sad to say, ...Very good oped piece on the CNN site. Sad to say, the comments by readers, 34 at last count, were not very supportive. There is a huge disconnect somewhere. Why? Is it the same disconnect that allowed Oprah to book Herman and Roma not once, but twice, and to fully "believe" their backstory? Maybe. Ouch. Or as I like to say sometimes: oich!DANIELBLOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130493903696077379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-15848905182586174912008-12-31T13:36:00.000-05:002008-12-31T13:36:00.000-05:00Holocaust deniers are no majority. This 'joyful lo...Holocaust deniers are no majority. <BR/><BR/>This 'joyful love story' did not make anyone with any sense 'feel good about what happened.' <BR/><BR/>Children are much more impressionable to their parents than Holocaust deniers and overzealous academics.<BR/><BR/>The Rosenblats made up a story... a lie. Unlike the media would have us believe, it didn't hurt most people. It was a STORY. Published blogs like this are perpetuating a culture of hypersensitivity. <BR/><BR/>I dare say you're too caught up in these issues to have a realistic perspective of how the majority of people feel about the issue.Dave S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00414993962773322488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-25233464957269534052008-12-31T13:31:00.000-05:002008-12-31T13:31:00.000-05:00Thank you Deborah, for not allowing the perversion...Thank you Deborah, for not allowing the perversions of commerce to get in the way of your "Joe Friday" ability to present just the facts. As a child, I visitied Bergen-Belsen and others and the holocaust is terrifying enough without having people try to cash in on fabrications.<BR/>Keep up your outstanding - and IMPORTANT - work.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08325959964484667966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10183882.post-85825236044346650842008-12-31T13:22:00.000-05:002008-12-31T13:22:00.000-05:00What a wonderful story. Thank you for bringing su...What a wonderful story. Thank you for bringing such a thoughtful critique to what has become our society's thirst to whitewash the atrocities of the Holocaust.<BR/><BR/>I find it especially disgusting that this is the second time that Oprah has been at the center of a controversey involving the veracity of her "super special books".<BR/><BR/>This case is obviously much more troubling, but it makes me wonder at what point people in our country will stop desiring the truth entirely. At what point will we simply seek a happy ending history be damned?<BR/><BR/>Thanks again.Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08912746585935555749noreply@blogger.com